beto o'rourke gets tonight's last word. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. >> tonight, ron desantis is officially in after a bumpy

start. but if you are not on twitter, you might have missed it. we will break down how it is all going to play out on the campaign trail. and then, down to the wire, debt ceiling negotiations drag on as a key credit rating agency puts the u.s. on watch. and an important conversation about kids and social media. a new warning from the surgeon general. you are going to want to hear this. the 11th hour just getting underway on this wednesday night good evening once again i'm stephanie ruhle. we lost an inventor -- -- . , -- first, florida governor ron desantis has officially jumped into the republican race for the white house. he launched his 2024 campaign

with an audio only livestream on twitter. along with ceo elon musk. those big rallies or introductions from veteran republican leaders. but before desantis could make his big announcement, there was a major technical mount down, things got off to a very rocky start. >> now it's quiet. >> yeah, we want to welcome you to the store twitter spaces event. and more broadly a first in the history of social media. tonight i am pleased to introduce to individuals who have done more to loosen -- [inaudible] sorry about that, so many people here. let's see. . certainly an incredible honor to have governor desantis make this start not spent [inaudible] >> after about 20 minutes of those technical difficulties, desantis was able to make his pitch. >> i am running for president

of the united states to lead our great american come back. if you nominate me, you can set your clock to january 20th, 2025 at high noon. because on the west side of the u.s. capitol i will be taking the oath of office as the 47th president of the united states. >> of course, desantis's entry into the 2024 race also now put some in direct conflict with republican front runner, fellow floridian donald j trump. nbc's gabe gutierrez has more on that. >> after teasing a run for months, with stops in iowa, new hampshire, and a high-profile overseas trip -- >> you can see that brighter future. >> tonight florida governor ron desantis is diving into the presidential race. he is now seen as republican front runner former president trump's tough opponent. just five years ago trump's endorsement was critical to desantis's victory in his first run for governor. even counted in this campaign ad. with his kids. >> make america great again.

>> but the relationship later souring after desantis's landslide reelection win, he now argues he is the best pick to take on president biden. tonight, new details about how a pro desantis super pac plans to do it. a staggering 200 million operating budget. it includes hiring more than 2600 field organizers by labor day. >> with that let's get smart with the help of our lead off panel. it is a great one. sam stein joins us, veteran journalist and white house editor for politico. we'll, armrest tech reporter for the washington post. and my friend matthew dowd. former george w. bush's strategist and founder of country over party. matthew, you know what a campaign launch should look like. should feel like. what is your take on what happened with ron desantis tonight? >> well spacex, that's what happened to spacex. it's exactly what just happened with his elon musk's last venture in the last month. i, mean the problem with ron

desantis is that he has to do everything right, especially the way he starts. and this has just created the greatest picture of a launch blowing up by a guy that started spacex, at the worst possible thing that can happen. and a guy that already starts 25 points behind donald trump. so if his launch is any indication of where this is going, it doesn't bode well. i was sitting here tonight thinking about this. it reminds me a lot of rick perry and scott walker. both of whom were lauded as popular governors of their state, texas and wisconsin. both were principled conservatives that everybody loved. both could raise a ton of money in the course of this, and both ended up dropping out before the first vote was cast in the iowa caucuses. that is what this reminds me of. , >> is there any prefers chance, matthew, this could be a win for desantis and masks -- we are talking a lot more about

them tonight than we did nikki haley or tim scott on their big nights. and if you subscribe to the donald trump world of all press's good press? they are getting all of it. >> well i don't think that was ron desantis's plan. >> absolutely not. >> so for donald trump it works because he has sort of been rooted in the base of his party in this. ron desantis has something to prove. and you don't prove something even if people are talking about it a lot by doing it wrong. and not presenting yourself as the candidate that can beat donald trump. that is the problem for ron desantis. donald trump starts as the heavy favorite front-runner. and rhonda scent is now is on his first day turned into a fiasco. >> shamelessness is donald trump's superpower and no one else. will, in all seriousness, technically speaking, what happened with this launch? many people q1 mask as the

premier tech guru on planet earth and beyond. and this was his big show? >> when a rocket explodes in midair, they call it a rapid unscheduled disassembly. that is about what happened to this twitter space today. it has got, he has laid off about 80% of the twitter staff since taking over. he cites hors d'oeuvre is held together with up to about this point. this is a live audio product that they launched a couple of years ago. it was really stolen developmentally took over. and now they've got fewer engineers to fix things when they go wrong. they have not always been paying all their infrastructure bills. and so apparently the twitter space just got overloaded and started putting people out, including governor desantis who was pulled out of the of a few times and had to lock back in. >> sam, donald trump is mocking him, joe biden is mocking him. and the whole wide world is tonight. but these glitches aside, whether we are talking about ron desantis, nikki haley, tim scott, a lot of people are saying no chance no shot in

hell, but are we premature and saying that about anybody? remember how we looked at donald trump thousand and 15? >> we are not premature in saying that about any of them. some of them really do have no shot. but i don't know if i would extend that all the way to ron desantis. i mean, there is plenty of presidential primary history to suggest that people can come back from pretty daunting deficits. look at the person occupying the white house right, now joe biden was left for dead politically speaking in 2020 in the primary after he lost three badly in new hampshire, i believe he finished in fifth place. of course the states to come back. does that mean that ron desantis will do the same? i don't know. it's a fairly wide gap and donald trump is obviously formidable opponent. i don't think that nights like tonight particularly help matters. he will raise a lot of money, he will get over this. i don't think it is going to matter hugely, but you do have

a few things that you want to get right on launch day. you have a good impression, obviously. and if you are first impression is that you are getting out. on the tech platform? it doesn't really bode well for your selling yourself as the competent alternative, the person that can navigate the vanguard of modern media. it just doesn't work. the second thing is lost opportunity,? the campaign is saying they've raised a lot of money tonight. 1 million dollars, we broke the internet which is obviously not true, they broke a twitter space. but the lost opportunities what could have happened had things gone as you had planned them to happen. and so, yeah they may have raised 1 million dollars in a couple of hours but it is possible that they could have raised several million dollars in a couple of hours and that is just a real opportunity lost, losing the ability to sign up people to volunteer for your campaign and someone. so every step he takes is meant to close that gap with trump and he lost the ability to take key steps tonight. >> also important to note that money that they raised may have

been earmarked already by megadonor's who had agreed to do so. sam >> do you think anything that happened this week changes the next moves for someone like a governor glenn youngkin? >> well not in the context of this current race. i think youngkin -- enter the field. obviously he is keeping still keeping the door, open but if he does it will be after the virginia lettuce plate of session, and that timeframe is really problematic. i actually think big variable here is the debt ceiling. which is playing off an entirely different theater than the presidential campaign. if we have a huge economic catastrophe because we're default, that changes all the dynamics for our presidential primary. it could compel people to jump, and it could change the tender of the campaign. it could matter materially about how the voting public receives joe biden. we just don't know a lot of the variables here that come was an economic catastrophe of that level. i think that stuff is more important than whether or not the twitter spaces have worked

for a matter of, you know, 30 minutes or so? >> matthew what do you think? when you look, at let's say tim scott, nikki haley, what are they thinking about tonight? the debt ceiling or desantis? >> i agree with sam on this. i think this race is gonna be more defined and unpredictable external events than anything a campaign does tactically. i think donald trump is for all intents and purposes the incumbent. though he doesn't hold the office, he is the incumbent. and the only way you beat an incumbent of your own party is that some external events happen that disrupts the race and array that to our opportunities a chance. so that's really the only way. that could be the debt, sealing we don't know how it plays out and we will talk about that in a bit. but it also could be, who knows what. illegal structure and illegal cases surrounding donald trump over the next year and a half are gonna do to him fundamentally. so i think this race is much much much more contingent on external factors than it is on

internal dynamics. >> sam do you think the biden white house is counting too heavily on trump being the potential opponent? >> maybe, yeah. there obviously is the conventional wisdom that among anyone running, he would be the easiest to beat. there are a myriad of reasons why one would believe that. not least of which is the five or 25, whatever it is court cases that are being brought against him at any given time. but look, you know, obviously at various junctures the political punditry, myself included have discounted this man as a political force, for underestimated him as a political force. and that includes democrats way back in 2016. i think you have to think of trump as someone who can endure electoral college voting system get enough states to win the presidency. even if he loses the popular. vote and that is essentially the path that he would. take so i do think that democrats, you know, quietly

and in some republican -- but there are enough people in the party that i talk with who say that maybe we should not hope too much. >> elon musk has himself in the middle of all of this. not just part of this launch tonight, he was in the video and you might actually think he was a running mate. he calls twitter the place for this election, because it is the platform for free speech. is that how twitter is being viewed right now? because many would say that it has become the home for the far-right. >> well, you know, on the call tonight desantis and some of the other people that musk brought on stage where we're very heavily focused on things like online content moderation. i would not have thought that would be the first thing that a presidential candidate would talk about. but the idea that these big tech companies are censoring the right is an animating force for many on the right. and desantis is certainly one of them. i don't know how well that message would go over with a broader audience.

it was really, it felt like a twitter spaces, it didn't feel like a presidential launch announcement. there was a lot of grievance against the mainstream media. and the idea that musk has really tried to sell is that under his watch, twitter will not to do this kind of content moderation. you can say transphobic stuff, you can question the science on vaccines or covid masks, that sort of thing. you can pretty much do anything. unless you personally offended one mosque. as one of my tech colleagues did with his reporting, and then you will get you off. >> matthew, target one of the biggest retailers in this country, we learned today they are pulling some of their pride themed merchandise from their store shelves after they got a whole lot of conservative backlash, including threats against employees, even threats against the ceo, brian core now, target like many many other countries companies had no intention of getting into identity politics, and now they

are smack in the middle of it. where do we go from here? >> what my dream is, i would say my dream is that people are decent and accepting of people. and it's okay if someone wants to show a rainbow flag shirt or saw one. or we could treat all of each other with a sense of decency and respect and acceptance and understanding. that is my dream. the problem is that i think that target, i mean, i don't know, some folks are mad at target for doing that. but target actually has a serious concerns for the safety of their employees. and the safety of their customers. because we have seen what some sort of armed right wing who is very animated about this issue will do. and it is a scary thought in the course of this. i wish we could reduce the temperature. i wish we could go back to a time what we all expect and respect each other's individual rights and freedoms and all of that. we are not in that space.

so dark it will have to manage this just like disney have to manage this. and at some point they are going to have to stand up for every american's right to be who they want to be. and even if that means selling shirts with rainbows on them, which i still don't understand why people are so mad about. >> we have to create the space, because decency must come first. without it, we have got nothing. well, thank you for joining us. sam, matthew, i'm not letting you to leave, we have to cover the debt ceiling. but before we take a break, there's another story we need to spend time focusing on. take a moment for the queen of rock and roll. long before beyoncé broke the mold, tina turner built it. the iconic artist died today at the age of 83, tina turner was a trail blazer in every sense of the word. but also a survivor. escaping an abuse of public relationship to become one of the biggest acts in the world as a solo artist. she was the first woman and

black artist on the cover of rolling stone magazine. along the way she won a total of 12 grammy awards for songs like proud mary, and what has love got to do with it. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ -- dina was inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame, not once, but twice. dina, she was simply the best. our hearts are with her friends and family tonight. when we come back, the race to avoid a potentially catastrophic default, coming down to the wire. as the treasury secretary triples down on the debt ceiling deadline, but how worried should we really be? and later, a dire new warning from the surgeon general about kids and social media. we are gonna break down the problem and look for solutions.

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do not have a debt deal. house members will go home for the holiday weekend, and what is the most recent news? credit rating agency fifth is warning that the united states could face a downgrade from its triple a credit rating if a deal to raise the debt ceiling is not reached.

sam sign and matthew dowd are still here. sam, before everybody freaks out about fish, we need to remind people that it is a rating agency who, by the way, did nothing ahead of the 2008 crisis and faced enormous criticism for their lack of action. but here they can only make decisions based on facts. not predictions of what could happen next week. and the fact is tonight there is no deal and according to the treasury secretary, we will not be able to meet our financial obligations january 1st. it is not -- playing the hand they are dealt? >> yes and then on top of that the fact that they were terribly wrong did not make the right older thousand and eight doesn't negate the fact that people will take their cues from their warning here, it's not an actual moved downgrade or anything, it's a warning that they might have. two people on the markets will take the cues from them. because they are in fact tasked with surveilling the field.

as you know. but, look, i mean, there is not been much to grasp onto. everyone including my professor is trying to read how many ways can you study the work productive and try to find some meeting from it. that is where we are at in this negotiation. lawmakers themselves, again, we can talk and try to parse meaning here. they did leave today, they met in ways that i think suggest that progress is being made for our meeting at the old executive office building. i think the most interesting part was that they came out of the meeting and republicans who had been very quick to go to the cameras and brief reporters about how bad things are and how frustrated they are, they did not do this this time around, which suggests to me they want to at least keep talking. the talks are moving in a good direction. but this is all from the start, we've had this conversation, the same exact conversation for several weeks now. and they think -- okay, at some point we have to get panicky about this? >> i think i may have said we

run out january 1st, i meant june 1st, which is right around the corner. after, you i want to talk about that silence. people close to that negotiation feel good about what little we are hearing. when they are not making progress, that's when the white house or kevin mccarthy had on up to the podium. they are talking of the storm. they're leaking stuff. and silence should be read as progress, what do you think? >> i think all of us have no earthly idea because the level of dysfunction that exists in congress right now is so bizarre lehigh, we have no way of guessing, any economist or -- it's like a movie scene where there is a bomb in the stadium that is about to go off. right? there is this bomb taking, down taking down, taking down. and we know what we hire to cut to stop the alarm from going off, and it's like, no, we are

not gonna cut the wire, we are not gonna cut the, wire we are not gonna cut the wire. we are gonna watch it tick tick. 20, seconds eight seconds, and then we think -- to that point, -- haven't been freaking out more over the last few weeks. reporters to your point, sam, we have to read the tea leaves. we have to figure out what is kevin mccarthy's furrowed brow mean. but some of the biggest investors on wall street are also some of the biggest gop donors. and you know who they get to talk to whatever they want? mitch mcconnell who is likely telling them, don't worry, the patient, things will get resolved, what do you think? >> well i guess i can understand that because we have been down this road a couple of times including in recent memory, it does get resolved. but we gets resolved every time

intelligence not get resolved once. eventually you do go -- i think what we are not pressing into our metaphor here is that they may factor -- that doesn't necessarily mean passage at all. there is an easy conceived universe and which a deal -- for instance, donald trump may come out and say you should not vote for the steal if you are a republican. suddenly, all of the wig operations are thrust into chaos, and all are anticipated but margins are thrown at the door. and that's when real panic starts to set in, when the deal that they could actually -- yes, on a timeline we're sort of entering that 11th hour. this doesn't feel like the last chapter at all. i think we have many more iterations of the panic and hope to come. >> matthew, what do you think

about that? because sandbags of a really good point about what could happen while we were in similar situations -- maybe we should? >> fact that kevin mccarthy is in power, based on the boats of -- -- i'm thinking of something sam just said. -- i guarantee you that this production will be accurate. no matter what deal is struck, whatever deal it, is if there is one struck, donald trump will within minutes come out and say it is a bad deal. i think donald trump more than anything else wants this whole thing to blow up. because donald trump succeeds with total chaos. he succeeds in total chaos. >> he succeeds in total chaos. and he will vote with their wallets. sam stein, matthew dowd, thank

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teenagers. the u.s. surgeon general as issued a stark warning about the mental health issues plaguing them today like anxiety and depression. in a new report, he's pointing straight at one thing, social media being a major cause. let's take in. joining me to help understand what is happening and what we will do about it, my friend dr. harold koplewicz, president and medical director of the child brain institute, dr. jenny radesky, assistant professor of pediatrics at the university of michigan, where she studies developmental behavior and technology and dr. jen golbeck, professor at the university of maryland, whose research focuses on social media and privacy. harold, i tend to you first. how that is the situation? we talk about it at cocktail parties, but i don't know if we do much. >> i need to step back for a second and remembered that our brains a vault for us to know spoke up of people that we knew well. in 2011, two things changed. one, we got connected to everybody on the planet and,

number two, we had access to them 24/7. for our kids, we start to recognize that they have been thrown into this jungle which has some good stuff, it also has dangerous stuff. that means the parents have to be really aware because their brains are developing, and when they spent a lot of time on social media, they spent less time sleeping and spend less time doing real life activity, interactions. they also spend less time doing physical activity. those two things are essential for burn development. it's very serious, and we should really applaud the surgeon general, because he basically is saying that this is unsafe, or it does not show safety. until it shows safety, we had to be aware, and it means parents will have to be -- >> dr. radesky, what would you say some of the roulette consequences that you are seeing? everything that harold is laying out a sounding the alarm. lots of people are saying, i guess that's a threat, but we are not changing our behavior. what is actually happening >>

through the american academy of pediatrics six, we started the center of excellence on social media for youth mental health. one of the things we try to do is communicate in a way about this that resonates with families, because right now, with sounding the alarm, a lot of that must feel like, okay, am i doing this wrong, it's my childhood at terrible risk? i am seeing this total mix of positives and negatives, i'm not sure what to do. part of our goal is actually to take the tone down of bringing the alarm and actually saying if we're talking about this only do a very risk or fear based framework, we might be making families feel less efficacious, feel like they're less able to handle this. one thing we would like to do is talk about inaction oriented way. okay, talk to your child about it, here is how, here are a few conversation starters about how to understand, is this a problem for your child or's or child managing it in a adapted way? kind of understand not just,

not in terms of a fractured relationship of also show media leads to all mental illness, but try to understand the contextual factors, individual factors that make social media a really hard for some kids, make it a source of a lot of harassment and toxicity. for other kids, it's more of a source for fun, and because of those contradictions, it's been hard to take really informed action here. harold, i am glad that the surgeon general made this more of a front and center issue with a balanced message. >> harold, what we look at the trends, it seems to be worse for teenage girls than boys, why? >> the effects are negative effects might be worse, for a few reasons. girls do more social media than voice. girls are more prone to anxiety and depression them boys are, and we have to remember that some of the dangers of art that the cyberbullying is particularly sensitive, so if you go back in time when you are in school, and someone was

mean to you and push you. more often or not, it would be a boy being aggressive towards a boy, it might be humiliating and depressing, but it was over -- >> my home was my refuge, my safety. >> the fact that now everybody knows about it, when you go to a religious school, you are humiliated again and again. >> no place is safe. >> even if you thought that you could end of this yourself, bucket your parents about, it was a trauma. there are multiple microaggressions that you have every day when you're going to school. now, it stays forever, and the humiliation becomes so much greater. girls, by the way, as i said, are more sensitive than boys. boys more aggressive, girls, what we look at who gets anxious and depressed, it's 12, 13-year-old females. >> professor, in the surgeon general's warning, he's calling on tech companies to do more, is that realistic? are they really going to do more? this is their business, and

they are not incentivized to protect kids. they're incentivized to make money and pull in more customers. >> i think that's exactly the problem that we're running into here. social media likes to say that they will self regulate, don't look at the industry about what's going on, but the fact is that they don't do anything to make things better unless there really pushed hard. there's not an incentive for self regulation because there is a lot of money to be made. there's very little distinction being john on how things like the algorithm that push content us the engages us differs between children and adults on these platforms, so talking about teenage girls, they get pushed a lot of content that leads to things like eating disorders and body image issues because society is bombarding you with that kind of message as that adolescent girl, social media knows that you will engage with that because those are the type of messages that you're thinking about. so, they're not going to change the algorithm to make teen girls feel better. they had to be pushed in order

for that to happen. >> doctor, is it too soon to know what the long term effects could be for teens. even in the short term, i can see that their attention span is so much shorter. their ability to focus on things. they can watch an endless summit of two minute videos, but they can't watch a two hour movie. >> i think that the worry about long term effects is totally valid, but it's also worth asking kids what they think, what they're worried the long-term effects might be, because we don't have the studies right now to determine that from a scientific point of view, and if we need to act right now, we actually need to approach this in a way that resonates with kids because if we go in and say, okay, we're taking this away, this is shortening your attention span, this is not working, that is actually going to probably make it more of a battle or make kids feel more ashamed of what they're doing. like we've just heard, a lot at the problem here lies with the

design of the digital environment, not within kids. we really like to spread the message that, kids, this is not your fault, this is a natural consequence of using technology that is designed to keep you engaged, designed to rouse your emotions and keep coming back again and again. i love having conversations with kids about, this is hard, what do you feel your worried most about, that this is not feel good to you, and what would you like to change the most? >> harold, this morning and report from the surgeon general is important, but he does not have any real enforcement power. you think the reports make a difference? >> i think this report really does make a difference. first of all, it does ring a bell. it also warns us that certain kids are more at risk than others. i think we should go back in history. surgeon general effort coop change the way we think about cigarettes. remember, it took a lot to finally get a warning on cigarette packages saying that this is dangerous. that let all the way to here in

the senate, where people were the heads of tobacco companies raise their hands and set, i did not know that it was going to cause heart disease or cancer. >> baloney -- >> but today, people, by the way, can't smoke when you go to school. you can't smoke in hospital, smoke in office buildings. we changed that, and the number of kids starting to smoke is much smaller today. it's still not zero than it was before. i do think that this is a step. a couple of things the surgeon general put in his report is that we need more research, and it needs to be federally refunded and to look carefully at what long term and short term effects of the internet are. there is something called problematic into use. these are kids who are using the internet six hours or more a day, and when you talk about into use, it's not on the social media, its streaming, gaming, all of which are set up to be more addictive, to keep doing it, more minutes, portman it's. i had to tell you, kids who have depression and adhd and autism, they are more susceptible to the, and their

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kids without being manipulated like that at a very young age, so allowing them to see content that could potentially be helpful but not having those manipulative for rhythms, that's one picks up that we can take from a regulatory perspective. >> dr., to that point, there are healthy uses of the internet and social media, how do you decipher the two? how do you advise parents? >> first, i completely agree that some redesign through policy and through the companies really committing to trying to make this better it's going to be crucial. you have to change the digital environment to make healthy choices easier. it makes so much of a difference when you open up a social media platform, and at the very first thing you're offered is something tailored to your set emotional state or how only you might feel. it would make so much of a difference if some of that could be tailored either on the platform side or kids running out to do this themselves, taking more control over their

feats, over their social media experience, so that they're really trying to maintain the positivity. and the nice sense of community. kids tell us that this is hard though. they're really working uphill to get the positives and the community and affirmation social media that they really want from it. so, texas the redesign is totally crucial. i just want to say that the other thing at the a and b scented that we're trying to do is help shift the conversation and the framing of this problem, because although it's a problem occurring amongst kids, it's been adults and grown-ups who have been framing the narrative. kids are not crazy about that narrative. i am a pediatrician, so iowa state to see things from this point of view. that's one major thing we're trying to do is say, how do we increase kids agency and their autonomy and there are emotional well-being in all contests, but especially the digital contacts? and how do we listen to them

about what sort of resources they need? just having some sort of screen time rules or lack of access is not going to help them. >> that how much policing should we do? if you think back to when we were kids, my mother was not eavesdropping on every phone conversation i had. she was not supervising every play date, but if we want to go into 100 percent policing, are we reading every text, looking at every post? >> i think there is a difference, as i've said before, your mother knew the neighborhood, right? our brains were a vault for this more cooped people we knew well. now, your child is being exposed to the world and some at the characters are not good for them. some stuff is really terrific. so i think the parents at the beat more involved. i think you have to know your child. you have to know how they sleep, had the e, with their extracurricular activities are, how often are they on? you need that data. the second thing that you need to do is find the alternatives, particularly for young kids. they have to have like an activity manu, crafts, going

outside for a run or playing with other kids. they have to -- you can't use this as a base. i think that if parents note that we might not be safe for predevelopment, i had to do number two, find alternatives. the third thing is that you need a family schedule. when are we going to be online, and when are we going to have off time. the fourth thing that parents have to model -- >> we have to do it to. >> i have to tell you, i remind my son's who are not doctors that, they can live without their phone for a half hour, they're not doing surgery. they're not in the emergency room. for 30 minutes, we can have real life interactions. basically, i think if you want kids to do something, you catch them being good. he praised them for. that was a great funny story, i am so glad you shared it with me. i'm having so much fun with you on this walk instead of criticizing them for constantly looking at their phone. looking at their p>> thank you p next, enough is enough.

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grieving, as yet another american community is devastated. their hearts ripped open by another mass shooting. this, a massacre. here is what we know right now.

at least 19 children and two teachers have been murdered after the shooting at robb elementary school in uvalde, texas. the school kids were looking forward to classes ending on thursday. the second third and fourth graders, that means they were between the ages of seven and 11 years old, were just two days away from their summer break. >> the last thing before we go tonight, one long year since uvalde. tonight, 19 children and two teachers should be getting ready for another summer vacation. instead, it committed the is stuffed with unimaginable grief affair a uniquely american tragedy. there were moments of remembrance across uvalde today. a butterfly release at 11:32 am, one gunshot surface heard at the classrooms, and the polling at the bills 21 times at 12:49 people, the moment lafontaine beach the classroom. people gathered at makeshift memorial they made for left wednesday lost, memorials that

are still standing on your later. >> there is no moving on. my emotions were set, but then i always remember the good times i had with them, that's why i am ready to do this. >> -- >> according to the gun violence archive, this country as experienced at least 674 more mass shootings, including a at school since the that the uvalde shooting. today president biden spoke about the massacre and the constant drumbeat of gun violence across the country. he said we cannot and the epidemic until congress and the states has common sense gun safety reform. the president and first lady also honored the victims with 21 candles at the white house and spoke directly to those still grieving in uvalde. >> for those that lost a loved one in uvalde to the moms and

dads and brothers and sisters, graham moss and graham pops, this is what i want them to know, one, that they will never be gone from your heart, they will always be part of you. and i know this as well. as unbelievable as it sounds, i promise you, the day will come when you pass the ice cream store, passed the park, passed the thing that brings back the memory of your son or daughter. it's going to bring a smile to your lips what you think about them before it brings a tear to your eye. that's what you know that you will make it. >> president biden with a message of hope for uvalde, texas to take us off the air tonight. and on that no, i wish you all a very good and safe night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thank you for staying up late. i will see you at the end of